I know I would not have looked further into the hobby had there been a fee.

Also there is no way to verify over the internet the intentions of applicants.

It is good to get the discussion going..thanks for suggesting an option, but it would have prevented me (and several other people) from joining. And maybe it is worth $25 to the yahoo in new york to find more and collect them.

Gronilot

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A founding principle of LbNA is that access to clues is FREE! The concept is well expressed by the vignette of a child going to the public-access library computer and downloading a few clues for a family adventure. When you understand that this primary principle is a GIFT to the world, then you may feel more comfortable with the flotsam that can wash up on the shore every once in a while.

There is nothing that has happened recently that hasn't also happened in previous years when there were a lot fewer boxes (less than 100 nationwide). Statistically, the rate of vandalism, box snatchers, inaccurate media reporting, and mean-spirited people has decreased as the past-time has evolved.

Also, if a structured organization were to be founded the potential for liability would be so great that It is unlikely anyone would find it financially feasible to be an administrator. This is a Volunteer organization.

In the early days there were several personages who wished to profit from letterboxing, they are no longer with us. However, the urge to close the corral gates will probably be with us forever. My wisdom is that there are some things, like rivers, that are eternal and all you can do is borrow the energy but not possess the water. Letterboxing is like that.

Just let it flow and keep on boxin'

Regards,
Susan
from the red-tipped Green Mountains of Vermont

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--- Susan Randall Davis
wrote:

> A founding principle of LbNA is that access to clues
> is FREE! The concept is well expressed by the
> vignette of a child going to the public-access
> library computer and downloading a few clues for a
> family adventure. When you understand that this
> primary principle is a GIFT to the world, then you
> may feel more comfortable with the flotsam that can
> wash up on the shore every once in a while.
>
> There is nothing that has happened recently that
> hasn't also happened in previous years when there
> were a lot fewer boxes (less than 100 nationwide).
> Statistically, the rate of vandalism, box snatchers,
> inaccurate media reporting, and mean-spirited people
My
> wisdom is that there are some things, like rivers,
>
>
> Just let it flow and keep on boxin'
>
> Regards,
> Susan
> from the red-tipped Green Mountains of Vermont
>
>You are so much more articulate than I am.
Mizscarlet
>
>




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Sadly we are talking about something that has been free, other than
your own supplies, for years and years. I think that charging will
only keep thouse away that can't afford to join. If the people in
the media want the information they are going to get it.... and
unless we are the "Mob" I am afraid there not much that can be done
about it. I we start charging then it does take some of the fun out
of finding this great hobby.

The username and password idea is good. It will hold back some
people for fear of being attacked by spyware from signing up but the
question is still... how do you know someone is not pulling the
sheets over our eyes. The facts are that... this is a game of
secrets... secrets that we must protect while allowing it to grow.
There are many groups out there that have done the same types of
things where they have needed to keep private about things, we just
have to figure out how to do it for ourselves.

Photobug

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
wrote:
> --- Susan Randall Davis
> wrote:
>
> > A founding principle of LbNA is that access to clues
> > is FREE! The concept is well expressed by the
> > vignette of a child going to the public-access
> > library computer and downloading a few clues for a
> > family adventure. When you understand that this
> > primary principle is a GIFT to the world, then you
> > may feel more comfortable with the flotsam that can
> > wash up on the shore every once in a while.
> >
> > There is nothing that has happened recently that
> > hasn't also happened in previous years when there
> > were a lot fewer boxes (less than 100 nationwide).
> > Statistically, the rate of vandalism, box snatchers,
> > inaccurate media reporting, and mean-spirited people
> My
> > wisdom is that there are some things, like rivers,
> >
> >
> > Just let it flow and keep on boxin'
> >
> > Regards,
> > Susan
> > from the red-tipped Green Mountains of Vermont
> >
> >You are so much more articulate than I am.
> Mizscarlet
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
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Ultimately it is the "membership" aspect (free or not) that I was
throwing out for discussion -- although most seemed to focus on
whether to charge or not, where I was heading as a talking point was
whether acess to the LbNA database should be available to everyone
who can type in the URL or restricted to those who have an account.
It doesn't seem like it would be hard to restrict access. If this
action, however, wouldn't mitigate the risk of people logging on
simply to find and destroy boxes, then there's no reason to do it.
If, however, the use of a username and password prevent guys like
the upstate NY one from getting the clues, then, well, mission
accomplished.

The money suggestion was only an attempt to help defray the costs of
such a security system (including granting of access rights) if such
a system were deemed a good idea. Let's forget that part for now --
is the general consensus that access should remain open?

For those considering using WOM clues think that such clues are, in
essence, restricted access. Only those "in the know" would have
access and thus, IMHO, very similar to password protecting the LbNA
database.

More thoughts?

CPAScott

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Wilson" wrote:
> Sadly we are talking about something that has been free, other
than
> your own supplies, for years and years. I think that charging
will
> only keep thouse away that can't afford to join. If the people in
> the media want the information they are going to get it.... and
> unless we are the "Mob" I am afraid there not much that can be
done
> about it. I we start charging then it does take some of the fun
out
> of finding this great hobby.
>
> The username and password idea is good. It will hold back some
> people for fear of being attacked by spyware from signing up but
the
> question is still... how do you know someone is not pulling the
> sheets over our eyes. The facts are that... this is a game of
> secrets... secrets that we must protect while allowing it to
grow.
> There are many groups out there that have done the same types of
> things where they have needed to keep private about things, we
just
> have to figure out how to do it for ourselves.
>
> Photobug
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
> wrote:
> > --- Susan Randall Davis
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A founding principle of LbNA is that access to clues
> > > is FREE! The concept is well expressed by the
> > > vignette of a child going to the public-access
> > > library computer and downloading a few clues for a
> > > family adventure. When you understand that this
> > > primary principle is a GIFT to the world, then you
> > > may feel more comfortable with the flotsam that can
> > > wash up on the shore every once in a while.
> > >
> > > There is nothing that has happened recently that
> > > hasn't also happened in previous years when there
> > > were a lot fewer boxes (less than 100 nationwide).
> > > Statistically, the rate of vandalism, box snatchers,
> > > inaccurate media reporting, and mean-spirited people
> > My
> > > wisdom is that there are some things, like rivers,
> > >
> > >
> > > Just let it flow and keep on boxin'
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Susan
> > > from the red-tipped Green Mountains of Vermont
> > >
> > >You are so much more articulate than I am.
> > Mizscarlet
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
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Hello,
Just a thought. I know the issues about the downside of loss/vandalism/improper reporting are important, but look at the bigger picture.

In the last 2 months, the number of boxes posted on LBNA site has jumped almost 1300 boxes or so--someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember seeing it at about 9700 at the end of July. Compared to the growth, the losses seem to be minimal.

I realize that it impacts people on a personal level when it happens to them, but for the sport overall, this is very healthy growth.

Thanks,
FamilyMan

Wilson wrote:
Sadly we are talking about something that has been free, other than
your own supplies, for years and years. I think that charging will
only keep thouse away that can't afford to join. If the people in
the media want the information they are going to get it.... and
unless we are the "Mob" I am afraid there not much that can be done
about it. I we start charging then it does take some of the fun out
of finding this great hobby.

The username and password idea is good. It will hold back some
people for fear of being attacked by spyware from signing up but the
question is still... how do you know someone is not pulling the
sheets over our eyes. The facts are that... this is a game of
secrets... secrets that we must protect while allowing it to grow.
There are many groups out there that have done the same types of
things where they have needed to keep private about things, we just
have to figure out how to do it for ourselves.

Photobug

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
wrote:
> --- Susan Randall Davis
> wrote:
>
> > A founding principle of LbNA is that access to clues
> > is FREE! The concept is well expressed by the
> > vignette of a child going to the public-access
> > library computer and downloading a few clues for a
> > family adventure. When you understand that this
> > primary principle is a GIFT to the world, then you
> > may feel more comfortable with the flotsam that can
> > wash up on the shore every once in a while.
> >
> > There is nothing that has happened recently that
> > hasn't also happened in previous years when there
> > were a lot fewer boxes (less than 100 nationwide).
> > Statistically, the rate of vandalism, box snatchers,
> > inaccurate media reporting, and mean-spirited people
> My
> > wisdom is that there are some things, like rivers,
> >
> >
> > Just let it flow and keep on boxin'
> >
> > Regards,
> > Susan
> > from the red-tipped Green Mountains of Vermont
> >
> >You are so much more articulate than I am.
> Mizscarlet
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Sorry but I am still new to Lbxing.... what is WOM?


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott"
wrote:
> Ultimately it is the "membership" aspect (free or not) that I was
> throwing out for discussion -- although most seemed to focus on
> whether to charge or not, where I was heading as a talking point
was
> whether acess to the LbNA database should be available to everyone
> who can type in the URL or restricted to those who have an
account.
> It doesn't seem like it would be hard to restrict access. If this
> action, however, wouldn't mitigate the risk of people logging on
> simply to find and destroy boxes, then there's no reason to do it.
> If, however, the use of a username and password prevent guys like
> the upstate NY one from getting the clues, then, well, mission
> accomplished.
>
> The money suggestion was only an attempt to help defray the costs
of
> such a security system (including granting of access rights) if
such
> a system were deemed a good idea. Let's forget that part for now --

> is the general consensus that access should remain open?
>
> For those considering using WOM clues think that such clues are, in
> essence, restricted access. Only those "in the know" would have
> access and thus, IMHO, very similar to password protecting the LbNA
> database.
>
> More thoughts?
>
> CPAScott
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Wilson"
wrote:
> > Sadly we are talking about something that has been free, other
> than
> > your own supplies, for years and years. I think that charging
> will
> > only keep thouse away that can't afford to join. If the people
in
> > the media want the information they are going to get it.... and
> > unless we are the "Mob" I am afraid there not much that can be
> done
> > about it. I we start charging then it does take some of the fun
> out
> > of finding this great hobby.
> >
> > The username and password idea is good. It will hold back some
> > people for fear of being attacked by spyware from signing up but
> the
> > question is still... how do you know someone is not pulling the
> > sheets over our eyes. The facts are that... this is a game of
> > secrets... secrets that we must protect while allowing it to
> grow.
> > There are many groups out there that have done the same types of
> > things where they have needed to keep private about things, we
> just
> > have to figure out how to do it for ourselves.
> >
> > Photobug
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
> > wrote:
> > > --- Susan Randall Davis
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > A founding principle of LbNA is that access to clues
> > > > is FREE! The concept is well expressed by the
> > > > vignette of a child going to the public-access
> > > > library computer and downloading a few clues for a
> > > > family adventure. When you understand that this
> > > > primary principle is a GIFT to the world, then you
> > > > may feel more comfortable with the flotsam that can
> > > > wash up on the shore every once in a while.
> > > >
> > > > There is nothing that has happened recently that
> > > > hasn't also happened in previous years when there
> > > > were a lot fewer boxes (less than 100 nationwide).
> > > > Statistically, the rate of vandalism, box snatchers,
> > > > inaccurate media reporting, and mean-spirited people
> > > My
> > > > wisdom is that there are some things, like rivers,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just let it flow and keep on boxin'
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Susan
> > > > from the red-tipped Green Mountains of Vermont
> > > >
> > > >You are so much more articulate than I am.
> > > Mizscarlet
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
> > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

How would people pay for access? There are those who do not have credit cards for whatever reason. There are also those, me-me-me, who do NOT put their credit card numbers online.

Mama Bear of the Trailin' Taylors
cpascott wrote:
Ultimately it is the "membership" aspect (free or not) that I was
throwing out for discussion -- although most seemed to focus on
whether to charge or not, where I was heading as a talking point was
whether acess to the LbNA database should be available to everyone
who can type in the URL or restricted to those who have an account.
It doesn't seem like it would be hard to restrict access. If this
action, however, wouldn't mitigate the risk of people logging on
simply to find and destroy boxes, then there's no reason to do it.
If, however, the use of a username and password prevent guys like
the upstate NY one from getting the clues, then, well, mission
accomplished.

The money suggestion was only an attempt to help defray the costs of
such a security system (including granting of access rights) if such
a system were deemed a good idea. Let's forget that part for now --
is the general consensus that access should remain open?

For those considering using WOM clues think that such clues are, in
essence, restricted access. Only those "in the know" would have
access and thus, IMHO, very similar to password protecting the LbNA
database.

More thoughts?

CPAScott

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Wilson" wrote:
> Sadly we are talking about something that has been free, other
than
> your own supplies, for years and years. I think that charging
will
> only keep thouse away that can't afford to join. If the people in
> the media want the information they are going to get it.... and
> unless we are the "Mob" I am afraid there not much that can be
done
> about it. I we start charging then it does take some of the fun
out
> of finding this great hobby.
>
> The username and password idea is good. It will hold back some
> people for fear of being attacked by spyware from signing up but
the
> question is still... how do you know someone is not pulling the
> sheets over our eyes. The facts are that... this is a game of
> secrets... secrets that we must protect while allowing it to
grow.
> There are many groups out there that have done the same types of
> things where they have needed to keep private about things, we
just
> have to figure out how to do it for ourselves.
>
> Photobug
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
> wrote:
> > --- Susan Randall Davis
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A founding principle of LbNA is that access to clues
> > > is FREE! The concept is well expressed by the
> > > vignette of a child going to the public-access
> > > library computer and downloading a few clues for a
> > > family adventure. When you understand that this
> > > primary principle is a GIFT to the world, then you
> > > may feel more comfortable with the flotsam that can
> > > wash up on the shore every once in a while.
> > >
> > > There is nothing that has happened recently that
> > > hasn't also happened in previous years when there
> > > were a lot fewer boxes (less than 100 nationwide).
> > > Statistically, the rate of vandalism, box snatchers,
> > > inaccurate media reporting, and mean-spirited people
> > My
> > > wisdom is that there are some things, like rivers,
> > >
> > >
> > > Just let it flow and keep on boxin'
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Susan
> > > from the red-tipped Green Mountains of Vermont
> > >
> > >You are so much more articulate than I am.
> > Mizscarlet
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
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--- Wilson wrote:

> Sorry but I am still new to Lbxing.... what is WOM?

> Word of mouth.
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>




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You have to register to Post Clues, why can't LB.org also require you
to register to Get Clues. It is still free, but the casual surfer
won't want to be bothered filling in blanks. Anyone who has learned
about LB'g (whether via newspaper or friend) won't mind.

Although I am always speeding into the map to check on something I
forgot and another password to remember . . . but then my posting and
searching could be the same. You know you don't even have to be a
real person to Post Clues, so there isn't any security in this only a
speed bump.

Judy B
Fairfax VA
sewsowbizzy
among other names

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott"
wrote:
> In order to get clues, you'll have to register as a letterboxer and
> receive a username and password.

Stupid me.... so sorry... I will go hide back in my Letter box hole :)

Ph0t0bug

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
wrote:
> --- Wilson wrote:
>
> > Sorry but I am still new to Lbxing.... what is WOM?
>
> > Word of mouth.
> Mizscarlet
> >
>
>
>
>
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But...what about those of us (like myself) who learned about the hobby while being a casual surfer? I was trying to find information online about an area park about a year ago. My search turned up a clue page for this thing called a "letterbox" that someone had hidden there. From the clue page I went to the main page and the FAQ and determined that I had a new hobby....

Doodle.



Judy B wrote:
You have to register to Post Clues, why can't LB.org also require you
to register to Get Clues. It is still free, but the casual surfer
won't want to be bothered filling in blanks. Anyone who has learned
about LB'g (whether via newspaper or friend) won't mind.

Although I am always speeding into the map to check on something I
forgot and another password to remember . . . but then my posting and
searching could be the same. You know you don't even have to be a
real person to Post Clues, so there isn't any security in this only a
speed bump.

Judy B
Fairfax VA
sewsowbizzy
among other names

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott"
wrote:
> In order to get clues, you'll have to register as a letterboxer and
> receive a username and password.





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NO! NO! NO! We don't dig holes!

Wilson wrote:Stupid me.... so sorry... I will go hide back in my Letter box hole :)

Ph0t0bug

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
wrote:
> --- Wilson wrote:
>
> > Sorry but I am still new to Lbxing.... what is WOM?
>
> > Word of mouth.
> Mizscarlet
> >
>
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I agree with you whole heartedly. This is a good idea and I think people would be willing to sign on for a "membership". I am suprised that this has not already occurred.
Fire Lady

cpascott wrote:
The answer is easier than that, perhaps.

With no disrespect to database sites like WoL or AtlasQuest, if we
accept that the LbNA database is as close to the "official" source
of letterboxing clues that we have, then it could be password
protected.

In order to get clues, you'll have to register as a letterboxer and
receive a username and password. The owners of the site -- and
indeed the community at large -- would have to discuss the best way
to administer this and how to ensure that those who have access are
true letterboxers, etc. (so that this person couldn't simply
register himself). Perhaps an annual membership fee (something
reasonable like $25 or $30) could be instituted to help with the
cost of the administration.

Would anyone care to discuss this idea farther?

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What????? no no no... This would not be a hole I would dig... I love
using holes that exist... such as in my letterbox hole, a wonderful
little mouse was living there but the family got to large for the
hole and she did not want to deal with all the contractors and
building permits to increase the size of the hole. So she came to me
after I asked what WOM ment and said " looks like you could use a
place to dive into when you say something stupid...." I informed her
that this was exactly the case and said hole would work fine. I
helped her to move her and her children to a nice luxury mod. cinder
block penthouse on the edge of the woods overlooking the corn field.
Talk about your convenint (SP) shopping. Anyway, after moving her in
I proceeded to look at my e-mail which told me I was being stupid for
not knowing what WOM ment so I jumped in and here I will hide until
spoken to again.

:)

Did I mention I was going to do Story Letterboxes in series?


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Laura Taylor
wrote:
> NO! NO! NO! We don't dig holes!
>
> Wilson wrote:Stupid me.... so sorry... I will go
hide back in my Letter box hole :)
>
> Ph0t0bug
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
> wrote:
> > --- Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry but I am still new to Lbxing.... what is WOM?
> >
> > > Word of mouth.
> > Mizscarlet
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks for the laugh!

Wilson wrote:What????? no no no... This would not be a hole I would dig... I love
using holes that exist... such as in my letterbox hole, a wonderful
little mouse was living there but the family got to large for the
hole and she did not want to deal with all the contractors and
building permits to increase the size of the hole. So she came to me
after I asked what WOM ment and said " looks like you could use a
place to dive into when you say something stupid...." I informed her
that this was exactly the case and said hole would work fine. I
helped her to move her and her children to a nice luxury mod. cinder
block penthouse on the edge of the woods overlooking the corn field.
Talk about your convenint (SP) shopping. Anyway, after moving her in
I proceeded to look at my e-mail which told me I was being stupid for
not knowing what WOM ment so I jumped in and here I will hide until
spoken to again.

:)

Did I mention I was going to do Story Letterboxes in series?


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> NO! NO! NO! We don't dig holes!
>
> Wilson wrote:Stupid me.... so sorry... I will go
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>
> Ph0t0bug
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No problem.... At all times one must keep a since of humor....
otherwise the world would be a dull place.

photobug

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Laura Taylor
wrote:
> Thanks for the laugh!
>
> Wilson wrote:What????? no no no... This would not
be a hole I would dig... I love
> using holes that exist... such as in my letterbox hole, a wonderful
> little mouse was living there but the family got to large for the
> hole and she did not want to deal with all the contractors and
> building permits to increase the size of the hole. So she came to
me
> after I asked what WOM ment and said " looks like you could use a
> place to dive into when you say something stupid...." I informed
her
> that this was exactly the case and said hole would work fine. I
> helped her to move her and her children to a nice luxury mod.
cinder
> block penthouse on the edge of the woods overlooking the corn
field.
> Talk about your convenint (SP) shopping. Anyway, after moving her
in
> I proceeded to look at my e-mail which told me I was being stupid
for
> not knowing what WOM ment so I jumped in and here I will hide until
> spoken to again.
>
> :)
>
> Did I mention I was going to do Story Letterboxes in series?
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Laura Taylor
> wrote:
> > NO! NO! NO! We don't dig holes!
> >
> > Wilson wrote:Stupid me.... so sorry... I will go
> hide back in my Letter box hole :)
> >
> > Ph0t0bug
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
> > wrote:
> > > --- Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry but I am still new to Lbxing.... what is WOM?
> > >
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i am a firm believer in what is to be is to be. if you were meant to learn
about letterboxing you will. if not by surfing the web then just an
accidental stumble. the question is how do you react after you have the
information? you can choose to love the game and be an example or you can
choose to vandalize. the choices as always are yours.
smile
uneksia

"But...what about those of us (like myself) who learned about the hobby
while being a casual surfer? I was trying to find information online about
an area park about a year ago. My search turned up a clue page for this
thing called a "letterbox" that someone had hidden there. From the clue
page I went to the main page and the FAQ and determined that I had a new
hobby....
Doodle."

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Surfing is how I found out about LB'g also. When I seriously went
looking for what was Letterboxing, recalling seeing something about
it 6months earlier (not the LB.org site) I found a plethera of sites
that gave me the general idea. And had I needed to sign-up for
LB.org I would have done so -- because it was my focus. If it had
been soccer or biking or boating, I wouldn't have spent the time.
TIME --- not the mag --- is the key here. If you are inquisitive
enough to take the time to register, then you are more likely to take
the time to learn more.

So although you may have stumbled over a letterbox online, would you
have registered at LB.org? Would you have kept surfing to learn more
and then gone back to register? I think there is a certain amount of
desire needed for this adventure, and I have found it in everyone I
have met at gathers . . . and on posts. Even the farcical posts.

Having to regisiter for LB.org would not obliterate all the other
LB'g search results/sites.

Judy B
Fairfax VA
sewsowbizzy

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Doodle & Deedle Bug
wrote:
> But...what about those of us (like myself) who learned about the
hobby while being a casual surfer?

Well, in my specific instance, had I not been taken to that clue page in my search, the word letterboxing wouldn't exist in my vocabulary. I was searching for a park's name, and I'm not 100% sure how internet searches work, but if the clues were posted to a subscription-only site, that page - even with the park's name on it - probably would not have shown up during my Google search, and therefore I would have never been taken to letterboxing.org - or any website about letterboxing - in the first place. Lucky for me the page did show up in my results, because as soon as I did find that clue page in my search I started trying to learn more about what it was talking about.

Doodle.




Judy B wrote:
Surfing is how I found out about LB'g also. When I seriously went
looking for what was Letterboxing, recalling seeing something about
it 6months earlier (not the LB.org site) I found a plethera of sites
that gave me the general idea. And had I needed to sign-up for
LB.org I would have done so -- because it was my focus. If it had
been soccer or biking or boating, I wouldn't have spent the time.
TIME --- not the mag --- is the key here. If you are inquisitive
enough to take the time to register, then you are more likely to take
the time to learn more.

So although you may have stumbled over a letterbox online, would you
have registered at LB.org? Would you have kept surfing to learn more
and then gone back to register? I think there is a certain amount of
desire needed for this adventure, and I have found it in everyone I
have met at gathers . . . and on posts. Even the farcical posts.

Having to regisiter for LB.org would not obliterate all the other
LB'g search results/sites.

Judy B
Fairfax VA
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What is it about any movement that drives its members
to exclusivity?

I have found Letterboxing to be a wonderful way to
glimpse the small favorite jewels of places local
cherish, to appreciate a subtle art that might
otherwise be silent and to participate in lives,
through reading their words whom I never will know
even if I may pass them daily in my normal life.

Why would anyone consider codifying or restricting
participation? We live in a world of gated
communities and private universes. In my other life I
participate in some of these. But in this pursuit I
see equanimity and equality bounded only by ones
required effort to go out and seek.

Let's keep this free.

Respectfully,
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Boy, a lot of opposition to the protection of clues on the LbNA
database. So be it. That was the point of my original post, after
all, to faciliate discussion and attempt to deal with the problem of
someone stealing letterboxes through access of the clues.

Hopefully Mr. Anti-Letterbox in NY is an aberration and not a
recurring problem we have to deal with. I'm all for freedom, of
course, but such freedom comes with risk and cost. Currently, our
risk is that anyone -- letterboxers and non-letterboxers -- can
access the clues and our cost is that armed with the clues non-
letterboxers may hunt the boxes simply to destroy them. I seek only
a solution to this potential problem. I'd prefer, of course, if
there were no problem to deal with in the first place which brings me
back to hoping that the NY incident will not become more widespread.

In the meantime, I'll be enjoying hunting for the letterboxes on my
list and looking forward to continued discussion regarding how to
keep our hobby safe and enjoyable from those who spite us just for
the sake of doing so.

CPAScott

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, S Pekock wrote:
> What is it about any movement that drives its members
> to exclusivity?
>
> I have found Letterboxing to be a wonderful way to
> glimpse the small favorite jewels of places local
> cherish, to appreciate a subtle art that might
> otherwise be silent and to participate in lives,
> through reading their words whom I never will know
> even if I may pass them daily in my normal life.
>
> Why would anyone consider codifying or restricting
> participation? We live in a world of gated
> communities and private universes. In my other life I
> participate in some of these. But in this pursuit I
> see equanimity and equality bounded only by ones
> required effort to go out and seek.
>
> Let's keep this free.
>
> Respectfully,
> 1/2 the Poppets
>
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Oh man.....stop you're killin' me! I'm actually holding my sides from laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still new too.....

Doglvrs
----- Original Message -----
From: Wilson
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:44 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Protecting LbNA clues through membership -- (Was: How?????)


What????? no no no... This would not be a hole I would dig... I love
using holes that exist... such as in my letterbox hole, a wonderful
little mouse was living there but the family got to large for the
hole and she did not want to deal with all the contractors and
building permits to increase the size of the hole. So she came to me
after I asked what WOM ment and said " looks like you could use a
place to dive into when you say something stupid...." I informed her
that this was exactly the case and said hole would work fine. I
helped her to move her and her children to a nice luxury mod. cinder
block penthouse on the edge of the woods overlooking the corn field.
Talk about your convenint (SP) shopping. Anyway, after moving her in
I proceeded to look at my e-mail which told me I was being stupid for
not knowing what WOM ment so I jumped in and here I will hide until
spoken to again.

:)

Did I mention I was going to do Story Letterboxes in series?


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Laura Taylor
wrote:
> NO! NO! NO! We don't dig holes!
>
> Wilson wrote:Stupid me.... so sorry... I will go
hide back in my Letter box hole :)
>
> Ph0t0bug
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
> wrote:
> > --- Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry but I am still new to Lbxing.... what is WOM?
> >
> > > Word of mouth.
> > Mizscarlet
> > >
> >
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Hi, I'm new too and loving it! Went out and found my
first 3 yesterday!

MsDragonfli

--- Doglvrs RASW wrote:

> Oh man.....stop you're killin' me! I'm actually
> holding my sides from laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Still new too.....
>
> Doglvrs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wilson
> To:
>
letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:44 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Protecting LbNA clues through
> membership -- (Was: How?????)
>
>
> What????? no no no... This would not be a hole I
> would dig... I love
> using holes that exist... such as in my letterbox
> hole, a wonderful
> little mouse was living there but the family got
> to large for the
> hole and she did not want to deal with all the
> contractors and
> building permits to increase the size of the hole.
> So she came to me
> after I asked what WOM ment and said " looks like
> you could use a
> place to dive into when you say something
> stupid...." I informed her
> that this was exactly the case and said hole would
> work fine. I
> helped her to move her and her children to a nice
> luxury mod. cinder
> block penthouse on the edge of the woods
> overlooking the corn field.
> Talk about your convenint (SP) shopping. Anyway,
> after moving her in
> I proceeded to look at my e-mail which told me I
> was being stupid for
> not knowing what WOM ment so I jumped in and here
> I will hide until
> spoken to again.
>
> :)
>
> Did I mention I was going to do Story Letterboxes
> in series?
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Laura Taylor
>
> wrote:
> > NO! NO! NO! We don't dig holes!
> >
> > Wilson wrote:Stupid me.... so
> sorry... I will go
> hide back in my Letter box hole :)
> >
> > Ph0t0bug
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn
> Lockard
> > wrote:
> > > --- Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry but I am still new to Lbxing.... what
> is WOM?
> > >
> > > > Word of mouth.
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You think that was bad... you should have seen what I typed when
someone told me the dish ran away with the spoon.... I would post it
here but I am afraid it is a little off topic and God knows I dont
want to upset the moderators!! :)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Doglvrs RASW"
wrote:
> Oh man.....stop you're killin' me! I'm actually holding my sides
from laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Still new too.....
>
> Doglvrs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wilson
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com usa@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:44 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Protecting LbNA clues through membership --
(Was: How?????)
>
>
> What????? no no no... This would not be a hole I would dig... I
love
> using holes that exist... such as in my letterbox hole, a
wonderful
> little mouse was living there but the family got to large for the
> hole and she did not want to deal with all the contractors and
> building permits to increase the size of the hole. So she came
to me
> after I asked what WOM ment and said " looks like you could use a
> place to dive into when you say something stupid...." I informed
her
> that this was exactly the case and said hole would work fine. I
> helped her to move her and her children to a nice luxury mod.
cinder
> block penthouse on the edge of the woods overlooking the corn
field.
> Talk about your convenint (SP) shopping. Anyway, after moving
her in
> I proceeded to look at my e-mail which told me I was being stupid
for
> not knowing what WOM ment so I jumped in and here I will hide
until
> spoken to again.
>
> :)
>
> Did I mention I was going to do Story Letterboxes in series?
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Laura Taylor

> wrote:
> > NO! NO! NO! We don't dig holes!
> >
> > Wilson wrote:Stupid me.... so sorry... I will
go
> hide back in my Letter box hole :)
> >
> > Ph0t0bug
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
> > wrote:
> > > --- Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry but I am still new to Lbxing.... what is WOM?
> > >
> > > > Word of mouth.
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I agree with a bunch of you that having a password in order to get clues on LbNA would probably help at least somewhat in limiting access to clues by the wrong people. It's not going to stop all box-lifting, but I can't think of anything it would hurt, except maybe those few Google searches someone mentioned. One idea would be to try it for a year or so and see how it goes. Why not? It could always be changed back again if it was a real bomb, right? It's true that a few less people might stumble upon the hobby that way, but seems to me that the benefits might outweigh that. The tiny number of people who just might not discover it because of a fairly simple limit is to me similar to the few people who might not discover the great antiques shops in my town due to a few limits on population growth. If our town planners had wisely chosen to limit growth to something other than a tidal wave of people so that roads and safety issues could be addressed one at a time (which they haven't), we would not now be experiencing jams from one end of town to the other. People would have still found the antiques shops in time, but the roads to get there would be a lot more enjoyable and safer. With all the new media exposure, it seems to me people who are types who'd be interested, will find out about it no matter what. I think it's probably true that people being overly-mysterious or refusing to talk would simply intrigue most reporters even more. That's a tough one, though. Part of me screams, "NO-o-o --stop talking to reporters" but part of me too has to agree wholeheartedly with what Longhorn says. I can't deny the inevitability of the exposure in this country, and then the need for damage control if we haven't helped where we could with the right emphases and the right details. --lunaryakketyact

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I have to chime in, if we start charging for clues/memberships, corporate sponsors come next. Just check out the Goecache site. Jeep has planted boxes(?) with little cars as prizes. Maybe we can have X-acto place prizes in our ltrbxs!!!

Susan Randall Davis wrote:A founding principle of LbNA is that access to clues is FREE! The concept is well expressed by the vignette of a child going to the public-access library computer and downloading a few clues for a family adventure. When you understand that this primary principle is a GIFT to the world, then you may feel more comfortable with the flotsam that can wash up on the shore every once in a while.

There is nothing that has happened recently that hasn't also happened in previous years when there were a lot fewer boxes (less than 100 nationwide). Statistically, the rate of vandalism, box snatchers, inaccurate media reporting, and mean-spirited people has decreased as the past-time has evolved.

Also, if a structured organization were to be founded the potential for liability would be so great that It is unlikely anyone would find it financially feasible to be an administrator. This is a Volunteer organization.

In the early days there were several personages who wished to profit from letterboxing, they are no longer with us. However, the urge to close the corral gates will probably be with us forever. My wisdom is that there are some things, like rivers, that are eternal and all you can do is borrow the energy but not possess the water. Letterboxing is like that.

Just let it flow and keep on boxin'

Regards,
Susan
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Just wanted to chime in on the membership idea: I doubt anyone will ever
convince everyone to agree on one way to do this. I personally think the
benefits of freely accessible boxes outweighs the disadvantages. However,
there is nothing to say that someone couldn't set up a site which allows
people to password protect their clues, or access clues by paying a
membership. Or even a members only area on LbNA itself, for those who
wanted that option. If someone wanted to do this then the people who were
more concerned with protecting the integrity and safety of their boxes would
have that option, while people who were more concerned with contributing to
a freely available collection could continue to do so also.

In fact, a split like that is probably what would happen anyway, if LbNA
were to become an entirely fee based / password protected website. Some
people are bound to encourage the development of the freely available
variety of database. I think things have just gotten too far, and there
will always be some freely available clues, regardless.

I'm not saying one way is better than another - they are just differences,
in a highly diverse pastime. There is likely room for both in the sport,
just like there is room for website clues and word of mouth clues, both of
which add a lot to this hobby.

By the way, haven't I heard that you have to find 100 boxes in Dartmoor
before you get access to the big catalog or something. I just remember
reading something about that - forgive me if I'm wrong.

In the end, I'm just so grateful for this absolutely priceless hobby. We
don't get out to 'box as much as I'd like, what with the munchkins and all,
but we are excited to see many more boxes popping up in our area (Charlotte,
NC) and I also feel privileged to be able to follow all the creative
discourse which occurs on this list. It adds a whole other element to
letterboxing - community!

April
The Duritza Family (been doing this over a year and still haven't found a
good trail name.)

Having passwords for LbNA wouldn't have to mean charging a fee, correct? I would think it would work something like our access to this Yahoo group. April, I haven't really found a good trail name yet, either. So one of these days I'll change this crazy name and then have to re-introduce myself. Until then, --lunaryakketyact

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Should we knock twice, turn around four times, and then shake your bootie or is it turn around four times......? With the increasing number of members, it will of course increase the number of missing or damaged box. That's just the law of averages. For the most part this is just a sweet game with loving, caring, artistic and sometimes overly enthusiastic, careless people. Yes, a lot of time, energy, creativity and love went into these boxes and the thought of losing any of them is a tragedy but to stoop to this level? You don't think that someone that is determined to destroy boxes couldn't figure out how to get a password? Think about all the people how would miss out on the enjoyment of this game. Rules, we would start to have rules. When you get to rule number 127 go back to rule number 1, NO RULES?!?


Anna Lisa Yoder wrote:
I agree with a bunch of you that having a password in order to get clues on LbNA


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Hmm, I'm not sure why having a membership is "stooping". I think when people, including myself, were speaking of membership or a password to be used for searching for LbNA clues, we were speaking of the exact kind of things we need to have in order to write emails on this talk-list! Nothing mysterious or nasty or difficult or silly or exclusive or costly. To get on this talk-list, we each chose an ID# and a password of our own. It wasn't exactly jumping through hoops-- what did it take, initially? 10- 20 minutes, an hour? Yes, certainly there would be people still getting through who have no intention of doing good with the info. There have been people on this list with bad intentions, too. But having to take a little time initially to set up something surely is at least a bit of a deterrent to the casual drop-in who heard about it on the evening news and just wants to go nab boxes. C'mon, there are little hurdles all over the place in our society to help protect that which we care about. No, we don't need to put glass shards in a high wall, but what about a couple logs to step over? To enjoy this game anyway, people have to be a bit more tenacious than that.

As I already said, would it really be that threatening to try something different for a bit? We can always go back to the way things were if necessary. When the status quo isn't working great, why not tweak it a bit? I'm not even someone who's been all that personally affected by the missing boxes, but I sure hear a whole lot of you being very affected; how many times a day recently do we hear about them? And I have no grand illusions that we can "fix" the problem by trying this one thing, but I sure would like to see people working together to try something rather than just throwing our hands up and saying we can't do anything besides hide boxes well. It just looks to me like things have already evolved a lot in this game, and will need to continue evolving to be at optimum health for the future. Making decisions about certain changes is not equal to creating rules. I'm trying to think of all the people who "might miss out on the enjoyment of this game" and I can't think of anyone who would have to miss out, unless they simply don't feel like taking a few minutes of their life to create a password. In that case I can't worry myself about them. I choose to think instead of the hundreds of people who have placed boxes for all to enjoy and who might possibly have slightly better odds of keeping them intact for awhile if we could put a small hurdle or two in place. If it doesn't help at all, then we can go back to the drawing board. Change is not always scary, bad, or irreversible. Think about it, try it on... we can do better than just reacting. I've heard a lot of great ideas in this group. --lunaryakketyact

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I vote for the shaking of bootie. Turning around 4 times would make you dizzy, then you'd forget the clue. Then you'd have to get out the Rule Book, turn to page 147, paragraph 18, subparagraph 7, item 12, line 74...........yadda, yadda, yadda. haaaaaaaa
june[missmoon]


----- Original Message -----
From: Lori Doobie
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/9/2004 7:40:11 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Protecting LbNA clues through membership -- (Was: How?????)


Should we knock twice, turn around four times, and then shake your bootie or is it turn around four times......? With the increasing number of members, it

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now come on... you know if was page 874a of supliment book 74,
paragraph 12, List 15, Item 83, Line 1 that clearly states: "There
shall be no "bootie" shaking without prior written & noterised
consent of the Leigon of Letterboxing Subcouncle on Gludious Maxamus
Rotation unless said rotation artist turns around 6 times to the left
stopping at bearing 130 then rotating back to the right with 4
consecutive turns to bearing 83 while whisteling the theme to the
Andy Grifith Show as stated on page 240 of your "Hiding the Box"
manual. Please see page 348c of the Forms and Related Subjects book
for further information and permission slips." We all need to read
our books people. :)

Photobug

P.S. Sorry Mr./Mrs. Moderator.... Ill get back on topic.




--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "JuneMcAllister"
wrote:
> I vote for the shaking of bootie. Turning around 4 times would make
you dizzy, then you'd forget the clue. Then you'd have to get out the
Rule Book, turn to page 147, paragraph 18, subparagraph 7, item 12,
line 74...........yadda, yadda, yadda. haaaaaaaa
> june[missmoon]
>
>
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>
> Should we knock twice, turn around four times, and then shake your
bootie or is it turn around four times......? With the increasing
number of members, it
>

No! Please don't make bootie-shaking the criteria. I've been told
I ain't got no boogie in my soul...

:-(

Happy hunting,
Zed

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "JuneMcAllister"
wrote:
> I vote for the shaking of bootie. ]

Then do like Frank Zappa did and "Shiek Yer Bootie". Man I miss Frank...Think I'm goin' to Montana soon...

zed_boxing wrote:No! Please don't make bootie-shaking the criteria. I've been told
I ain't got no boogie in my soul...

:-(

Happy hunting,
Zed

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "JuneMcAllister"
wrote:
> I vote for the shaking of bootie. ]


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